Friday, October 24, 2008

Fun Fin Fin- chinese mutant jtwine ox restaurant (choking on german art) - reposted

image from: F.L.Hall Subject: Fun Fin Fin restaurant Date: October 21, 2008 12:19:14 PM PDT To: jtwine
"Kitsch = the absolute denial of shit" m.k., go see & read more of milan kundera.

If you are more interested in our czech style Fun fin fin menu then in art go straight to the noodle place.

The following are excerpts from ecri cadavre exquis automatic FSFS email neo dada art correspondence project.

From: "Hal from Hawaii" Forwarded by "F.L."
Date: October 20, 2008 2:51:27 PM PDT
To: jtwine
Subject: german artists
Question for Jtwine. What do you think of German artist after Bueys. Kippenberger, Palermo, Richter, etc. Why not many women artists.
Right now, Kippenberger is having a show in LA.
The couple that taught photography etc?
Did they come out of Beuys?
Did Werner Herzog and Klaus Kinski have an influence?
Were women involved?

german neologism 'in fear of prostitution by force' (ad fragment)

I was reading an old interview of Louise Bourgeois by Donald Kuspit.
Women in general were ignored in the art world. So this is not German problems.


From: jtwine
Subject: Re: German artist
Date: October 20, 2008 7:42:57 PM PDT
To: Hal

Hey Hal,
You mentioned the greatest of that period. It was a big movement called the "Neue Wilde" the new wild. I personally started art making (painting) at that time and was totally kicked by that movement (mainly painting).
Some other big names of that movement are Baselitz, Luepertz, Markus and Albert Oehlen, Immendorf...
Rebecca Horn, Anna Oppermann, Elvira Bach (I like Anna's and Rebecca's work a lot), are some female well knowns coming out of that time.

Rebecca Horn Drawing machine in which a pencil is, via a string, tied to a tree outdoors. The machine drew a different drawing every day of Summer 2006.

Anna Oppermann Artist task to solve problems 1978-84

Rebecca Horn and Anna Oppermann became professor at the university of the arts, around the time I was graduating in 1990. Anna died at the age of 53 in 1993.

being different

I took those images above at Anna's retrospective at the wuertembergische Kunstverein in Stuttgart 2007

The potography couple is Bernd and Hilla Becher, they taught at the same art Akademie in Duesseldorf as Richter and Polke. Palermo and Kiefer were students of Beuys, I don't know about the Bechers.
The Bechers were very influencial teachers, shaping the career of the following famous artists Thomas Struth, Thomas Demand, Candida Hofer, Thomas Ruff, and Andreas Gursky
Herzog's and Kinski's influence on that movement? I wouldn't know. I could rather see Wim Wenders in that context but that's pure speculation. I would need to do some research.
Herzog is great I like his work a lot, did you see one of his early movies "even dwarfs start small"?

Hope you get something out of it.


From: F.L.
Subject: german artists/czech
Date: October 20, 2008 8:33:55 PM PDT
To: jtwine

If you've seen them, apology for sending these.


Becher and Immendorff

Rebecca Horn - (I would do it differently today).


light, water, mud and wood

Forgot to give you this. Blinky wants to be a part of German group.

From: Hal
Subject: Lots of information
Date: October 21, 2008 11:30:07 AM PDT
To: jtwine

Thanks Jurgen,
That’s great, all the information that you poured out. I am familiar with most of the names and its good to sort of put the puzzle together. There was a german gallery in NY that brought these artist to NY , art that is and I was blown away, (we lived in NY during the 80s. In fact, my friend owns one of the Bechers ladders. He was the sup in their building and left it there.
Modern german history is so interesting. I sort of think of Guenter Grass as a point of entry.
When I was an art student in SF in the late 60s to 70s, the house that I lived in had people that ran the art film house called the Surf Theather. It was located down by the ocean at the end of Golden Gate. I got to see years of foreign films. I didn’t get to see that particular film of Herzog but have see a few. Klaus Kinski of course was great. Have you ever seen Roman Polanski's, the Fat and the Lean, perhaps I have the title wrong but he did it as a student and you could see his talent.
Anyway, you have given me much to digest and I so appreciate.
All the best, Hal

From: F.L.
Subject: Hesse
Date: October 22, 2008 1:05:45 PM PDT
To: jtwine

Eva was born in Hamburg, a German Jew. Her artistic breakthrough happened when she went to live in Germany. (Of course you can not discount the enormous importance of her friendship with Sol Lewitt.) Feminism, originality, minimalism, machine art, dada all came together for her. She did move out of the Abstract expressionism where she started in her paintings.

I would place her as a German Jewish woman artist who made a difference.


Eva Hesse work samples

Eva and Tom-machines & marriage

I thought of another german artist, Rosemarie Trockel. HL

More german art (
memory fragment, local stuff).

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